Photo of kookaburra by Sardaka.
Bartgrinn’s words are written this way.
Nerida’s voice is written like this.
We have not been here before.
No, this is a new place. Tell me what you observe here.
There are strong energies: some of them really good, some of them undecided. And there are some of them that try to use the undecided and the good ones to get themselves in a better position.
So you can imagine, it comes together and if something pushes in one direction more than in another, you get that kind of swirl, which turns it into a chaotic place. It’s not quite clear.
Pause.
There were energies here—some people are still able to feel them—that were good energy. These people and spirits still try to keep it the way it is.
Some of the undecided ones can’t clearly see good energy. They try to find the good ones but they are very attracted to other energies, as well.
And then there is something like a wave coming in, of energies and spirits that try to harvest the good and take it away from the place.
It’s the same everywhere—and with every thing—if it’s out of balance, there can be trouble.There are some unbalanced things happening here.
It’s not as bad as in places you’ve been before.
We think that going away from here in either direction [he indicates north and south] makes it clearer to see, to feel what energy is good and where to maintain it.
We’ve chosen a house to the south of here, slightly south-west. It’s near a wetland. There are birds there.
Birds get attracted to good energy.
Magpie geese in Victorian wetlands. Photo courtesy Wayne Butterworth.
Ah, that’s good.
We are not talking about vultures — they are necessary, but they don’t necessarily choose places of good energy. They do try to clean up bad energy, literally.
If Nature is intact, that helps preserve the good energy. If you scratch the surface of the Nature (in some areas) it might look ugly to some eyes, but it’s not necessarily that the energy goes bad.
It’s once it goes deeper, disturbing what’s under the ground, that’s when energy changes. We can’t feel this around here—it’s more on the surface, the disturbance here.
That’s a nice change.
If you go in these directions from here it gets better.
Yes. We feel that, too.
That’s because you are more sensitive than many others, my friend.
We’ve been trained by the best.
Thank you, my friend.
Slowly learning.
Slow is always better than never.
[Laughs]
[Pauses for thought] There are a lot of fires in this area. I’m sure you can feel the smoke in the air.
In a lot of areas, it’s a bit like ‘cleaning up’. It’s like a clearing out to promote a healthier regrowth.
Good.
There’s a forest that’s never been burned to the northwest of here.
It’s never been burned? Oh, we don’t think that’s so.
But it was before humans in this area started to write things down in books.
So the Traditional Owners in the forest did burn there, sometimes?
[Pauses as if looking in the Gondwana Forest] There was more humidity. It wasn’t prone to fires.
People did not like to go so much into it because it was so difficult to light a fire for preparing food, or keeping warm. They did go there to hunt, but on the outer edges.
There were two or three pathways, like tracks, to go from one end to the other of it.
There was one going to the west and another, a crossing, going from the north to the south.
Ferns descended from Gondwana, the supercontinent, millions of years ago. Lamington National Park, Queensland. Fire encroached into some of the Park. Photo VV Ramesh
Are there roads there now, where those tracks were?
No. They would be overgrown by now. This is a very long time ago.
There are very ancient plants and trees there.
Yes, that’s right.
We can see a possibility of fire.
We can see that some of these plants need the heat of fire to activate their seeds.
Fires could go through but it should be more superficial.Your so-called scientists might then find animals they’ve never seen before or that they thought of as extinct. They come out to look for shelter if there would be a fire going through.
This island used to be managed by fire. Fire was well understood, still is well understood by some of the original people. It’s taking over two hundred years for the newer people to begin to get a concept that large parts of this island actually need to be burned with lower intensity—
Bushfire smoke over Eastern Australia, December 2019. Photo by European Space Agency.
They don’t quite understand. They try to apply their own rules on top of it. They listen to half of it. If you have half of the truth or half of the information that never works. You might miss out on the important part.
So, they say, ‘Oh, yes. There used to be fires to clear things out. We’ll just do it now. It’s not hot.’ But then in the cold time, there might be more wind than when it’s really hot: if it’s really hot and you burn small areas. They don’t really understand the seasons here.Fires can cause wind, air moving. But at the same time, a fire takes the oxygen out of the air and the oxygen would support the fire. If the oxygen is taken out the fire stops.
Yes. We’ve seen the desert people make small fires when it’s really hot.
It needs to be on a small scale.
They don’t go very far.
Fire—learning to apply it in a balanced way in Australia. Photo by Alfred Twj.
And people need to stay with it.
Yes, you’ve got to mind it.
So these fires all around us, are some of them caused by our scientists choosing the wrong time and the wrong scale of fire?
Oh, some are them were caused by electricity created in thunderstorms.
Some was caused by ‘land management’ that was inferior.
Some have been created by humans.
And we are not talking about the ones that, say, burn to look for regrowth.
Some humans have a bad attitude and they burn it for other reasons. The population might find out about it sometime later…There will be proposals to do other things there.
How do you mean?
Other things than just having plants there, natural plants.
You mean greedy ones are burning the land—
Because it can be used for other things.
—for agriculture or mining.
Yes. If you have cows, for example, if they take off into the forest you’ll never find them.
Cows are not suitable animals for many parts of this island, I think.
Cattle in arid country, northern Australia. Photo by Jim Bendon.
They can be used for many things.
But, it’s like with everything. Too much of a good thing turns into a bad thing. You have too much of something, it makes you sick.
You don’t have enough of something, it will make you sick.
It’s the same with the planet. Too much of something going on, even if it was supposed to be good, it’s not.
It’s about finding out what’s tolerable for humans, for other animals, and of course for the planet.Because if you don’t have a planet there is nowhere to live: not for plants, not for animals, not, of course, for humans.
You take something, you take it to the extreme, it is not going to work. You need to have a view of the longer term. If I do this and I do this for a long time, what is going to happen?
You understand?
I do.
If you take a span of someone’s path where they do the same things over and over again, it takes a lot of energy and does not lead anywhere.
It’s the same with everything. It’s about balance.
If you have humans moving to an area where it is wonderful, it is beautiful energy, it’s balanced. Then everybody else wants to more there and live there, which puts it out of balance. And then the whole feeling, the whole energy of the place is not beautiful anymore.
This goes for everything.
Trying to keep balance: you can’t try to preserve something if you don’t keep or restore the balance..
Hmm, goes for places, goes for bodies, goes for relationships—
Goes for the planet. Goes for everything.
How much do you really need? It’s very different from how much one wants. Or how much one thinks that they need.
Yes.
You have too much of something, it is going to kill you. Depending on what it is, it kills you longterm or short term—both possible.
That means you thought you needed something and you needed a lot of it. Will you benefit from it in the end? No, you won’t. It might just kill you.
If you have a little bit of it, you might benefit. Then you go and have a little bit of something else and you’ll benefit from that.
And it’s all a lot less than you think you need.
If people have too much water, for example, they just die.
That’s right.
Because everything in their body gets diluted: every single chemical, every cell, everything that’s in the cells gets diluted too much. Does not work anymore.
Yes. I’ve seen that.
There are drugs—you call them drugs, you know we did use them as medicinal plants—take a tiny bit. You’ll profit from it, the body will prosper. You take the whole thing and you’re dead.
Can you tell me about the kookaburras that have been visiting Mari? She had half a day with them yesterday.
Kookaburras, yes. Well known birds.
We don’t know if you realised that it was different ones, different spirits visiting, even in the same bird. They did swap around. They tried to make sure you’re all right.
They helped her a lot, to be all right.
They came to help you, too.
[Crying] Yeah, they helped me too.
One of us was there, too.
Thank you.
We did not come that close. We gave the other ones a chance to come closer.
Thank you. We’ve had lots of wonderful visits from Spirit in the little black and white birds and the blue one and its mate the little brown one. And the whales and the dolphins have all been to see us. We have been very well supported.
Humpback whale off the Queensland coast. Photo by generous photographer.
Yes. This could be a prosperous area for you—for your further development.
On my path.
Yes. That’s right.
Thank you for the encouragement.
Is there anything else we can help you with?
I think that, given that this is the first session we’ve had for a long time, and Mari’s fatigue, I should probably let you go.
We think we’ve got some kind of balance back for her.
We’ll go for a walk now to consolidate it.
Just remember to keep things in balance and that more of something does not mean it is better. As they say on your planet: ‘Less is More.’ There is value in these sayings. It’s all there. People just don’t look at it.
Common sense: for many of them it’s not. They don’t really understand what it means as they try to apply it to others, not themselves.
So, there are no more questions?
There are many more.
We are happy to hear that.
I hope to see you again soon. Thank you so much.
And so, until another time, then.